xmas111 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Hey Glen, As usual an excellent job on the restoration! You're going to enjoy for a while to come.....they grow on you. Believe me I know, my stacked 3a's have grown on me. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samberger0357 Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 Would love to see a picture of your stacked 3a's. Are they vertical or horizontal? What do you drive them with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 19 hours ago, xmas111 said: Hey Glen, As usual an excellent job on the restoration! You're going to enjoy for a while to come.....they grow on you. Believe me I know, my stacked 3a's have grown on me. John Thank you John! Love working on these old speakers, keeps me sane! Stacked will be interesting, can't wait! Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas111 Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 17 hours ago, samberger0357 said: Would love to see a picture of your stacked 3a's. Are they vertical or horizontal? What do you drive them with? Here's a picture of the stacked 3a's. Each set is driven with a Yaqin MC-100B amp. They sound wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samberger0357 Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 Wow! What a great setup! Do you run the amps in Ultra linear or triode? Do they have 4 ohm taps? Have you tried the 3a's horizontally? I prefer mine(3's on top, 3a's on bottom) that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas111 Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 Don't want to steal Glen's thread so I'll be quick. I run them in Ultra Linear mode and they do have 4 ohm taps. Also replaced the KT88's with KT120's. Been running great for 4+ years! Here's a newer picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samberger0357 Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 That is a setup I'd love to hear/try sometime. Now, back to Glenn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 5 hours ago, xmas111 said: Here's a picture of the stacked 3a's. Each set is driven with a Yaqin MC-100B amp. They sound wonderful. WOW!!!!Very impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 So I went with the Saran! ra.ra. posted a link to a supplier in Canada in my AK thread. Thanks Robert! I decided to go with the original look with this pair, and I can always make another set of frames and wrap them with linen to switch them up once in a while. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted December 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Going on two weeks since finishing the restoration, and been listening to these exclusively. Damn they sound great! Roys restored mids are amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted December 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Finished the grills this morning. They came out looking terrific I think! The Saran is a little difficult to work with as it's somewhat stiff. Once I had it stapled down and trimmed. I used a match to quickly melt the edges at the corners to keep it from fraying. Here's a few pics of the finished AR3's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar_pro Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 They look like new, Glenn, and that's a good tip to prevent fraying. How do you have your grill panels attached to the cabinet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ra.ra Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 Hey Glenn, those turned out just gorgeous and the new grilles look great. You (and Roy) did spectacular work with that restoration project. Your results look just like this random pic I keep on file. Congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted December 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, ra.ra said: Hey Glenn, those turned out just gorgeous and the new grilles look great. You (and Roy) did spectacular work with that restoration project. Your results look just like this random pic I keep on file. Congrats. Looks just like mine! ;-) Thanks Robert! I'm very happy with the end results, and they sound fabulous! Thanks to Roy working his magic on the mids. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reel Man Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 That's what I want mine to look like, or close to it....beautiful. It's fun giving dignity back to these old classic, expensive pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted January 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 On December 29, 2016 at 3:42 PM, ar_pro said: They look like new, Glenn, and that's a good tip to prevent fraying. How do you have your grill panels attached to the cabinet? Thanks Reel Man! They just stay in place on their own. I measured and cut the frames, taking into account the thickness of the Saran, and have a very snug fit. Happy New Year! Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedeleluigi Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 22 hours ago, GD70 said: Happy New Year! Glenn Happy New Year to everyone! Glenn, as usual an excellent work! As I wrote in a previous thread (http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/IP.Board/index.php?/topic/8815-difference-in-sound-between-ar3-and-ar3a/), about one year ago I listened to a pair of AR3s for the first time in my life and I noticed a backward midrange band in their sound. What about the AR3 sound in the midrange band before and after RoyC's midrange restoration? In other words, how much is the loss of output pressure and details with the old AR3 midranges? Luigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 On January 2, 2017 at 6:32 AM, fedeleluigi said: Happy New Year to everyone! Glenn, as usual an excellent work! As I wrote in a previous thread (http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/IP.Board/index.php?/topic/8815-difference-in-sound-between-ar3-and-ar3a/), about one year ago I listened to a pair of AR3s for the first time in my life and I noticed a backward midrange band in their sound. What about the AR3 sound in the midrange band before and after RoyC's midrange restoration? In other words, how much is the loss of output pressure and details with the old AR3 midranges? Luigi Hi Luigi, Thank you! An enjoyable project. The mids in this pair had almost no output. Roy said there was no guarantee how well they would sound, and luckily, they are sounding terrific. I have not had a chance to compare them to my other pair yet, which sound very good, but suspect they will need Roys touch once I compare both pairs. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedeleluigi Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 9 hours ago, GD70 said: Hi Luigi, Thank you! An enjoyable project. The mids in this pair had almost no output. Roy sId there was no guarantee how well they would sound, and luckily, they are sounding terrific. I have not had a chance to compare them to my other pair yet, which sound very good, but suspect they will need Roys touch once I compare both pairs. Glenn Thank you Glenn, Roy is very expert in repairing AR drivers so when you have a chance to compare both pairs of your AR3s, please let us know the differences. As I told, I listened to a pair of AR3 with a backward midrange band so I'm very interested in knowing how AR3 midrange frequencies really sound when the drivers are ok. Have a nice day Luigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 On January 3, 2017 at 4:51 AM, fedeleluigi said: Thank you Glenn, Roy is very expert in repairing AR drivers so when you have a chance to compare both pairs of your AR3s, please let us know the differences. As I told, I listened to a pair of AR3 with a backward midrange band so I'm very interested in knowing how AR3 midrange frequencies really sound when the drivers are ok. Have a nice day Luigi I'm not sure what you mean by a "backwards band". I compared the restored vs the original and the improvement is night and day! The originals sound terrible! They will be pulled and sent to Roy. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedeleluigi Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 1 hour ago, GD70 said: I'm not sure what you mean by a "backwards band". I compared the restored vs the original and the improvement is night and day? The originals sound terrible! They will be pulled and sent to Roy. Glenn Sorry Glenn but unfortunately English is not my native language. By a "backwards midrange band" I'd like to say that the sound pressure in the midrange frequencies is less than the sound pressure in the treble and bass frequencies. So, for example, when listening to human voices they seem smaller than usual. In other words the midrange level is lower than treble's and bass's. Maybe I could use the expression of a "recessed midrange" or "recessed midrange frequencies" but I don't know if it is correct and how to exactly express this idea in English: "less sound pressure in the midrange frequencies compared to treble and bass frequency sound pressure". Could you please tell me more about the sound differences between the AR3s with the restored and original midranges? Thank you Luigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, fedeleluigi said: Sorry Glenn but unfortunately English is not my native language. By a "backwards midrange band" I'd like to say that the sound pressure in the midrange frequencies is less than the sound pressure in the treble and bass frequencies. So, for example, when listening to human voices they seem smaller than usual. In other words the midrange level is lower than treble's and bass's. Maybe I could use the expression of a "recessed midrange" or "recessed midrange frequencies" but I don't know if it is correct and how to exactly express this idea in English. Could you please tell me more about the sound differences between the restored and original midranges? Thank you Luigi Hi Liudi! Your English is very good, no worries. The difference is the originals are very recessed sounding, like you have some cotton in your ears compared to the restored mids. I felt they were a little recessed and now, in comparison, very recessed sounding. I didn't realize how much so until I finished the current pair. The restored mids are crisp, very detailed, much higher output. Now that I've done this, I would recommend to anyone having their mids restored. Roy states, that a percentage are not repairable, so to keep this in mind when making the decision to proceed with the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedeleluigi Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Glenn, Thank you very much! As I said, for the first time in my life, I could listen to a pair of AR3 about a year ago. It seemed to me that they sounded with a recessed midrange. So you have confimed my listening impressions and my suspects of a very probable problem with the midranges of the AR3s I listened to. Luigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD70 Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 2:43 PM, fedeleluigi said: Glenn, Thank you very much! As I said, for the first time in my life, I could listen to a pair of AR3 about a year ago. It seemed to me that they sounded with a recessed midrange. So you have confimed my listening impressions and my suspects of a very probable problem with the midranges of the AR3s I listened to. Luigi Roy told me this is the case with just about all AR3's. Very few, if any, are producing output like when they were new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedeleluigi Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 22 hours ago, GD70 said: Roy told me this is the case with just about all AR3's. Very few, if any, are producing output like when they were new. That's why, as I had never listened to new AR3s, I started a thread asking people who could listen to them when the were new how much was the difference between AR3 and AR3a midrange frequencies as the AR3s I listened to had the midrange frequencies "too weak" in comparision with the speakers (AR and not AR) I'm used to listen to. You are one of the few who could simultaneously compare the restored midranges to the original ones using two pairs of AR3. Thank you for sharing your listening impressions. Luigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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