Guest ARtwox Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Been playing these original AR 2ax that I bought a few days ago, and I think they sound pretty great on all types of music.One thing I have noticed though, is that the mids sometimes have a slightly boxy/shut-in/chesty quality as opposed to being open.The amp I have been using is a Scott 299B (6BQ5) integrated. I realise that this amp isn't powerful enough to drive the 2ax.Any chance that a more powerful amp might open up the sound a bit?I have a Citation I / II combination too, but that needs to be overhauled before use (something I've been putting off for a very long time...) - maybe this amp would be more suitable for these speakers,and possibly open the 2ax up?Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaco_dan Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 >Been playing these original AR 2ax that I bought a few days>ago, and I think they sound pretty great on all types of>music.>One thing I have noticed though, is that the mids sometimes>have a slightly boxy/shut-in/chesty quality as opposed to>being open.>The amp I have been using is a Scott 299B (6BQ5) integrated. >I realise that this amp isn't powerful enough to drive the>2ax.>Any chance that a more powerful amp might open up the sound a>bit?>I have a Citation I / II combination too, but that needs to be>overhauled before use (something I've been putting off for a>very long time...) - maybe this amp would be more suitable for>these speakers,>and possibly open the 2ax up?>Peter>Hi Peter;Whether you use a 25 watt per channel integrated amp, pre-amp and amp or receiver, they will all sound different.Some 50 watt per channel equipment will sound better and some will sound worse.AR recommended at least 25 watts per channel at 8 ohms for the AR-2AX's.Fifty or 100 watts is not out of place.If you are interested in using an old classic amp then you would need to know what the power is at 4 - 8 ohms 20 - 20,000 Hz for a better picture of it's capabilities.Each member has their own preferences.Ask and yee shall receive opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankmarsi Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 >>Been playing these original AR 2ax that I bought a few>days>>ago, and I think they sound pretty great on all types of>>music.>>One thing I have noticed though, is that the mids>sometimes>>have a slightly boxy/shut-in/chesty quality as opposed to>>being open.>>The amp I have been using is a Scott 299B (6BQ5)>integrated. >>I realise that this amp isn't powerful enough to drive>the>>2ax.>>Any chance that a more powerful amp might open up the>sound a>>bit?>>I have a Citation I / II combination too, but that needs>to be>>overhauled before use (something I've been putting off for>a>>very long time...) - maybe this amp would be more suitable>for>>these speakers,>>and possibly open the 2ax up?>>Peter>>>>Hi Peter;>>Whether you use a 25 watt per channel integrated amp, pre-amp>and amp or receiver, they will all sound different.>>Some 50 watt per channel equipment will sound better and some>will sound worse.>>AR recommended at least 25 watts per channel at 8 ohms for the>AR-2AX's.>>Fifty or 100 watts is not out of place.>>If you are interested in using an old classic amp then you>would need to know what the power is at 4 - 8 ohms 20 - 20,000>Hz for a better picture of it's capabilities.>>Each member has their own preferences.>>Ask and yee shall receive opinions.9-10-07Dear CSP members, what Vern says prompts me to think and strongly feel that after about one year now with four AR-LST's and two Phase Linear 400's that I need to go one better and the only logical thing sound wise, price wise, value wise is two old vintage PL 700's. I must say I'm almost sorry for my feelings, but after living and knowing such concepts as 'better program material' and 'head-room', although for me back in the late '60's and early '70s, it was 'head-space' additionally, I was still ‘there’ ‘back then’! Well with all those thoughts, knowledge and experience, I realize that I must avoid eating, shaving and driving a car to be able to buy two good conditioned PL700s and then be happy with my move. Even “Adcoms“ or so, are out of my budget if I must tell you. I know the differences of age and the 'like' of amps and better circuits and sound what have you, but practicality are my motives.The history of my move is: 1971, two AR-3a’s with a Dyna PS-3X and Dyna amp ST-35. In 1972 same, except for a Dyna ST120 amp. It was tragic and long-winded, owning the ST-120, but finally in 1974…… I moved to a Phase Linear 400 and life and music was ‘real-er’ than ever. Music now had for me what I didn’t know about how to give back to it all; when listening to music at home as compared to the ‘real’ event. Do I make any sense? I realize an amp like the PL 400 or 700 may have some ‘congestion’ in the upper mids and highs, hell with all that ‘negative-feedback’ in a circuit, so would I, but in light of the ‘cost of things’ these days, I’m inclined to go for low cost, high power! Don’t forget the old PL’s have great ‘bottom-end’, as do my speakers, they seem to love each other! I’ve come from an age when most people only had what my family did; an 1934 “RCA Victrola “, that my father bought new back then till then earlier ‘60’s and then it was only a Admiral table radio. Later on to; a family Magnavox and me later my buying my own stuff. Unfortunately, it was only for me as everyone else in the family had grown older and I, as the youngest ‘got-into-things’ like that in the mid ‘60s. So since then, is where I’ve dwelled, AR speaker greatness and PL raw power (screw all you non-believers) and completely ‘real’ music for the ‘home-listener’, me.It was to better myself, I went ahead, but I’m still happy where I sit! On another note once I get my sh-t together I look forward to my offer about an AR ‘sit-n’ at my new digs come this winter, early spring by the time it’s all together and ready to receive my AR forum friends and foes.That’s another thing, my new main listening room will be 24 by 13 feet. Problem is there are two large doorways, but with out doors, that sit on one long side of the room. I’m thinking; should I position my speakers mid-way along the long side facing the 2 openings or at the far narrow dimension of the room? I must wait till I actually get there, however thinking ahead, it’s awfully hard moving four stacked LST’s on stands with-out wheels, unless I do something about that too, at least initially, wheels? Good heavens!All advice and ideas are welcome as usual.That guy over there…? His friend and yours,I don't know, Frank Marsi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundhome Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 >>>Been playing these original AR 2ax that I bought a>few>>days>>>ago, and I think they sound pretty great on all types>of>>>music.>>>One thing I have noticed though, is that the mids>>sometimes>>>have a slightly boxy/shut-in/chesty quality as opposed>to>>>being open.>>>The amp I have been using is a Scott 299B (6BQ5)>>integrated. >>>I realise that this amp isn't powerful enough to>drive>>the>>>2ax.>>>Any chance that a more powerful amp might open up the>>sound a>>>bit?>>>I have a Citation I / II combination too, but that>needs>>to be>>>overhauled before use (something I've been putting off>for>>a>>>very long time...) - maybe this amp would be more>suitable>>for>>>these speakers,>>>and possibly open the 2ax up?>>>Peter>>>>>>>Hi Peter;>>>>Whether you use a 25 watt per channel integrated amp,>pre-amp>>and amp or receiver, they will all sound different.>>>>Some 50 watt per channel equipment will sound better and>some>>will sound worse.>>>>AR recommended at least 25 watts per channel at 8 ohms for>the>>AR-2AX's.>>>>Fifty or 100 watts is not out of place.>>>>If you are interested in using an old classic amp then>you>>would need to know what the power is at 4 - 8 ohms 20 ->20,000>>Hz for a better picture of it's capabilities.>>>>Each member has their own preferences.>>>>Ask and yee shall receive opinions.>>>>>>>9-10-07>Dear CSP members, what Vern says prompts me to think and>strongly feel that after about one year now with four AR-LST's>and two Phase Linear 400's that I need to go one better and>the only logical thing sound wise, price wise, value wise is>two old vintage PL 700's. I must say I'm almost sorry for my>feelings, but after living and knowing such concepts as>'better program material' and 'head-room', although for me>back in the late '60's and early '70s, it was 'head-space'>additionally, I was still ‘there’ ‘back then’! > Well with all those thoughts, knowledge and experience, I>realize that I must avoid eating, shaving and driving a car to>be able to buy two good conditioned PL700s and then be happy>with my move. Even “Adcoms“ or so, are out of my budget if I>must tell you. I know the differences of age and the 'like' of>amps and better circuits and sound what have you, but>practicality are my motives.>The history of my move is: 1971, two AR-3a’s with a Dyna PS-3X>and Dyna amp ST-35. In 1972 same, except for a Dyna ST120>amp. It was tragic and long-winded, owning the ST-120, but>finally in 1974…… I moved to a Phase Linear 400 and life and>music was ‘real-er’ than ever. Music now had for me what I>didn’t know about how to give back to it all; when listening>to music at home as compared to the ‘real’ event. Do I make>any sense? I realize an amp like the PL 400 or 700 may have>some ‘congestion’ in the upper mids and highs, hell with all>that ‘negative-feedback’ in a circuit, so would I, but in>light of the ‘cost of things’ these days, I’m inclined to go>for low cost, high power! Don’t forget the old PL’s have>great ‘bottom-end’, as do my speakers, they seem to love each>other! > I’ve come from an age when most people only had what my>family did; an 1934 “RCA Victrola “, that my father bought new>back then till then earlier ‘60’s and then it was only a>Admiral table radio. Later on to; a family Magnavox and me>later my buying my own stuff. Unfortunately, it was only for>me as everyone else in the family had grown older and I, as>the youngest ‘got-into-things’ like that in the mid ‘60s. So>since then, is where I’ve dwelled, AR speaker greatness and PL>raw power (screw all you non-believers) and completely ‘real’>music for the ‘home-listener’, me.>It was to better myself, I went ahead, but I’m still happy>where I sit! >On another note once I get my sh-t together I look forward to>my offer about an AR ‘sit-n’ at my new digs come this winter,>early spring by the time it’s all together and ready to>receive my AR forum friends and foes.>That’s another thing, my new main listening room will be 24 by>13 feet. Problem is there are two large doorways, but with out>doors, that sit on one long side of the room. I’m thinking;>should I position my speakers mid-way along the long side>facing the 2 openings or at the far narrow dimension of the>room? I must wait till I actually get there, however thinking>ahead, it’s awfully hard moving four stacked LST’s on stands>with-out wheels, unless I do something about that too, at>least initially, wheels? Good heavens!>All advice and ideas are welcome as usual.>That guy over there…? His friend and yours,I don't know, Frank>Marsi>Leave the key under the mat my sister is over there now In the Hamptons buy the time you get home the speakers will be moved to washington state that will solve all your problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankmarsi Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 That's a so beautiful...... but it-a sucks because-a I am-a never gonna give up-pa my system!All kidding aside, I didn't mean to seem to be an 'AR-mal-content'. I just have a long history as a listener of these 'dinosaur-like' speakers. Just –a so beautiful the way they are! No?Funny how it seems almost as if the world is making a 'come-back' towards these old items of years ago. I personally like old cars, old houses, old stereo stuff, but youth and its almost carefree perceptions and appreciations of even later on in life, with a ‘youthful out look’! Did I mention young women? Old AR speakers are only here because of a youthful perception and caring of what music is supposed to sound like. All of that stuff was taught to us of the masses in school and with personal experience, close to the very origins of the making of music, maybe within the last 200 years. Music these days is uncertain at best given its history, what with all that has passed to this late date and of musical sensibility, where will music be just five years from now? I welcome the fact that I'll still be listening to my system as I've described it!My best friend and might be yours, Frank Marsi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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