frankmarsi Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 >>Regarding the AR-LST >> >>I purchased the AB-Tech units >> Frank Marsi > >Hi Frank > >Could you please post some photos (front and rear) of the >AB-tech tweeters for LST? >When did you get them? >How are they labelled? > >Thank you > >Aquila I should have mentioned, go to their site. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankmarsi Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 >>>>> >>>>>Hey Aquila, I don't have a digital camera to show photos >>>>>with,but they are simple in design and construction. They >>>>>actually look really good though. They're rear wired, >>which >>>>is >>>>>a problem for me as all of my speakers are earlier front >>>>>wired. I asked for other's ideas about this and have >>>>recieved >>>>>only a few responses from members. My thanks to all who >>>>>responded to me though.I'm happy to have joined the >group. >>>>>There's really only one way and it involves a little >>>>>'messaging' sort of speak to get them in. I mean how else >>>>can >>>>>one expect to accomblish such a feat? >>>>>My speakers are almost 34 years old now.Who else except >>>'us' >>>>>lovers of the sound quality from our youth would be crazy >>>>>enough to deal with such things in life.As you drive down >>>>your >>>>>local streets on Saturday or Sundays, do you see any car >>>>hoods >>>>>up and guys changing spark-plugs or oil? No, cause the >>>>culture >>>>>has changed for better or worse and you and I don't have >a >>>>>chance of insisting people now do things the way we did >>>>things >>>>>30-40 years ago. This fellowship of AR and Phase Linear >>and >>>>>any other quality names of middle class entertainment >>>>>equipment is lost in time and purveyors of the past are >>>rare >>>>>and few. Let's be realistic, how long is Ebay gonna offer >>>>>things of this nature? >>>>>If you are really into the AR sound and have limited >funds >>>>as >>>>>I do you haven't much of a choice but to change some >>>>>components and hope the sound is similiar to the past. >>>>>Regarding buying used on EBay and such I tried that and >>got >>>>>burned by these 'butchers' who are cutting up AR >products >>>>for >>>>>profit. It seems the only recourse is AB-Tech and those >>one >>>>or >>>>>two other places. It is not so bad cause the original AR >>>>>tweeter was too frail and frustrating to live with in >>terms >>>>of >>>>>the burn-out factor fear. I've had my AR-3a's since 1972 >>as >>>>>new, paid $196.00 each from a discount place in Brooklyn >>>>>called 'Stereo Corporation of America', which no doubt is >>>>long >>>>>gone,but I found them in the back of High Fidelity >>Magazine >>>>in >>>>>late 1971.I'm afraid you may have no choice my friend? >>>>>Sincerely, Lost in the 60's, 70's and 80's, Frank Marsi >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi again; >>>> >>>>I have done the ebay route and have had a high rate of >>>success >>>>in receiving functional drivers. >>>> >>>>Particularly bad packaging in specific area's of a few >>>>shipments were the exception. >>>> >>>>AR-4X cones up against bubblewrap may sound safe but I >>found >>>>out the perimeter of the cone has sticky adhesive still >>>after >>>>all these years. >>>> >>>>Needless to say when I un-rolled the tweeter the first >time >>>>the cone came off. >>>> >>>>On the dome tweeters AR-3 style, you can probably fire >them >>>>out of a cannon and the body will be intact, the domes >>>>un-fortunately are like eggshells and I've received >several >>>>where the domes were not protected and in one case the >>>seller >>>>said at least I received one good one out of the two. >>>> >>>>Unfortunately I am on meds and am getting forgetfull. >>>> >>>>One seller left the front terminal strips attached and >>these >>>>were anchored and when the AR 3/4" from mounted tweeter >>>>rotated in the sterifoam support the wires were ripped out >>>of >>>>the domes. >>>> >>>>Quite upsetting to see as we all know they are not >>>replaceable >>>>with new products. >>>> >>>>We will be seeing butchers cut up cabinets and sell the >>>>separates instead of the complete speakers. >>>> >>>>We will be seeing more of this as shipping costs go up. >>>> >>>>If you were to give me a pair of mint AR-3A cabinets less >>>>drivers they would still cost me around $100.00 plus >>>>deliverd. >>>> >>>>Even AR-4X's cost $25 - 30 US to ship here each economy, >>air >>>>is about 50% more. >>>> >>>>Check out the ebays sellers record for one or trust some >>one >>>>like Dale in Reno. >>>> >>>>I have read more than one time where someone has bought a >>>new >>>>driver and went back to an older version, I believe this >>was >>>a >>>>12" woofer though. >>>> >>>>Good luck with your choices and please keep us up to date. >>> >>> >>>Hi again Frank; >>> >>>After going back and re-reading your original topic a few >>>minutes ago, I would now suggest not doing the grill >cloths. >>> >>>Yes, they are not the most beautiful speaker without a >grill >>>cloth, but the highs are slightly less restricted. >> >> >>Vern, Dale, and all,(tom and associates, I know you're >>watching, as elementary as this stuff all is to you) it's >>crazy that my first experience on EBay about 1 1/2 year ago >>was very similiar to your bad ones. I was always afraid >about >>mail-order and buying something solely on some else's word. >>Long story short, the 2 tweeters were half-ass packed face >to >>face and both domes smashed and gone. I immediately sent >them >>back to seller for a refund and he fabricates a story that I >>switched my old bad ones with his new ones. I lost my >$75.plus >>and 2 smashed tweeters. He then gives me negative remarks on >>Ebay, he still sings free as a bird on Ebay and they permit >it >>without regard to all my pleading this guy was a criminal.I >>will post his name soon, as he's still thriving. But Vern, >>you're correct again; about the speakers looking ugly as no >>layman or relative seems to understand about these things as >I >>do. However even I would like to see the cloth grills and >>badges once in a while, the original beige and the wood >>certainly contrast well together. That raw tech look gets to >>me sometimes when my mind's eye likes to see everything >around >>me as 'smooth' and peaceful. I just want sound and not look >>for it coming out of raw drivers always facing me as I've >been >>doing it for over 40 years now watching and feeling cones >>vibrate to assure me I'm still alive and I'm doing the right >>thing. >>One afternoon as I strolled out of my studio on Broadway in >>'NoHo',between Bleeker and Houston Street, I jumped across >the >>street to "Stereo-Exhange" to see what Bernie had sitting >>around. There in his front window were 2 Cello Amati's with >>grills that seemed to be made of black plastic window >>screening. I had acquired mine 4 years prior to that, so I >>knew what they should look like. But these guys were the >same >>only newer, I didn't know anything about these being >'remakes' >>of LST's. I walked in and the wallowing sales man told me >they >>were going for $4,000 a piece, used, this being 1991, I was >>shocked. >> I proceeded to buy black screening and in 2 days of extra >>careful measuring (twice) and cutting (once) I managed to >make >>mine look almost as good as what Bernie wanted $8 grand for. >>Mine still look good, although the grills are a little >droopy. >>Without frames the screening hooks onto the velcro and stays >>there.I then decided to locate and actually speak to Mark >>Levinson, yep left him a message on his machine, he called >>back, gees was I thrilled. I told him I had some AR-LST's I >>wanted to restore and he said his tweeters were $90. each >>wholesale, but that I'd do better calling AR direct. I did >and >>they were $40 each, still high for a newly married man in >1991 >>as I needed about 6 of them,I bought two, still have them >and >>they're really nice.I'm angry I didn't buy more cause I >would >>still have them and she's gone anyway! >>Speaking of rip off's. I just today stupidly bought 2 AR3a's >>on EBay and after I slapped my card down the seller tells me >>they're not what I think there are and is not insuring them >>andsending by the Post Office. They looked really good and >>completely original on the screen here. I'm expecting them >in >>about a week, I'll keep this site posted, but I'm scared >>sh--less that I got ripped off again. >>I'll sign off now and go do some listening to vinyl, >followed >>buy CD. >>Frank Marsi > > >Hi again Frank; > >I have actually bought 50 - 60 times off ebay in the last 1 >1/2 years. > >I have consistantly introduced myself to each seller before I >start bidding, I also specify mode of shipping and payment >method. > >I feel this clears the air as I live in Canada and USPS does >do an excellent job in my experience. > >I also mail a US postal money order, rather that than Paypal >or credit card, there is at least a week delivery. > >Some will only ship UPS or Fedex which hits us Canadians with >a surcharge making the average purchase way too high. > >At this point I used to bid as I have been asked to do in a >normal auction and sure enough someone comes out of nowhere >and swoops in for the final winning bid. > >I started trying this and sometimes I win, sometimes I still >lose. > >I wish I also could post a list of those that did package my >purchases the way I would. > >I don't think it would be appropriate for me to list those >that didn't do the right thing though. > >I once received a Dynaco tweeter in a very well packaged >carton. > >The carton was large, and had sterifoam sheets but the seller >never saw what I did, when I opened the box. > >The screen of the tweeter acted as a cheese grater and >hundreds of tiny pieces of sterifoam stuck to the still sticky >dome. > >I had a buzzing speaker for a desk paperweight and tossed it. > >Because I've been sick for several years I didn't have the >strength to stand up and fight for my rights, then. > >At least one or more members of this site are buyers or >sellers on ebay and without mentioning names, can be trusted >without hesitation. > >Buying off ebay for me has been a positive experience overall >with only a few negative experiences. > >Those buyers in the USA have an advantage of lower shipping >costs. > >The AR-3A's are 60 pounds each crated roughly and USPS has a >weight limit. > >Are you referring to the pair that appeared to have black >frames on their front? > >After all these years a little wear and tear can be >anticipated on the cabinets. > >The pots can be taken care of, as can the surrounds. > >I do get a chance to chuckle when I see a badly nippled 3/4" >dome tweeters and the seller says no audible difference. > >So much for dispersion. > >If you have photos of the ones you bought please post them. > >I am sure there isn't a member here that hasn't followed your >steps. > >Good luck with your new purchases. 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dynaco_dan Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 >>>>>>>>>>>>Hey Aquila, I don't have a digital camera to show photos>>>>>>with,but they are simple in design and construction.>They>>>>>>actually look really good though. They're rear wired,>>>which>>>>>is>>>>>>a problem for me as all of my speakers are earlier front>>>>>>wired. I asked for other's ideas about this and have>>>>>recieved>>>>>>only a few responses from members. My thanks to all who>>>>>>responded to me though.I'm happy to have joined the>>group.>>>>>>There's really only one way and it involves a little>>>>>>'messaging' sort of speak to get them in. I mean how>else>>>>>can>>>>>>one expect to accomblish such a feat?>>>>>>My speakers are almost 34 years old now.Who else except>>>>'us'>>>>>>lovers of the sound quality from our youth would be>crazy>>>>>>enough to deal with such things in life.As you drive>down>>>>>your>>>>>>local streets on Saturday or Sundays, do you see any car>>>>>hoods>>>>>>up and guys changing spark-plugs or oil? No, cause the>>>>>culture>>>>>>has changed for better or worse and you and I don't have>>a>>>>>>chance of insisting people now do things the way we did>>>>>things>>>>>>30-40 years ago. This fellowship of AR and Phase Linear>>>and>>>>>>any other quality names of middle class entertainment>>>>>>equipment is lost in time and purveyors of the past are>>>>rare>>>>>>and few. Let's be realistic, how long is Ebay gonna>offer>>>>>>things of this nature?>>>>>>If you are really into the AR sound and have limited>>funds>>>>>as>>>>>>I do you haven't much of a choice but to change some>>>>>>components and hope the sound is similiar to the past.>>>>>>Regarding buying used on EBay and such I tried that and>>>got>>>>>>burned by these 'butchers' who are cutting up AR>>products>>>>>for>>>>>>profit. It seems the only recourse is AB-Tech and those>>>one>>>>>or>>>>>>two other places. It is not so bad cause the original AR>>>>>>tweeter was too frail and frustrating to live with in>>>terms>>>>>of>>>>>>the burn-out factor fear. I've had my AR-3a's since 1972>>>as>>>>>>new, paid $196.00 each from a discount place in Brooklyn>>>>>>called 'Stereo Corporation of America', which no doubt>is>>>>>long>>>>>>gone,but I found them in the back of High Fidelity>>>Magazine>>>>>in>>>>>>late 1971.I'm afraid you may have no choice my friend? >>>>>>Sincerely, Lost in the 60's, 70's and 80's, Frank Marsi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi again;>>>>>>>>>>I have done the ebay route and have had a high rate of>>>>success>>>>>in receiving functional drivers.>>>>>>>>>>Particularly bad packaging in specific area's of a few>>>>>shipments were the exception.>>>>>>>>>>AR-4X cones up against bubblewrap may sound safe but I>>>found>>>>>out the perimeter of the cone has sticky adhesive still>>>>after>>>>>all these years.>>>>>>>>>>Needless to say when I un-rolled the tweeter the first>>time>>>>>the cone came off.>>>>>>>>>>On the dome tweeters AR-3 style, you can probably fire>>them>>>>>out of a cannon and the body will be intact, the domes>>>>>un-fortunately are like eggshells and I've received>>several>>>>>where the domes were not protected and in one case the>>>>seller>>>>>said at least I received one good one out of the two.>>>>>>>>>>Unfortunately I am on meds and am getting forgetfull.>>>>>>>>>>One seller left the front terminal strips attached and>>>these>>>>>were anchored and when the AR 3/4" from mounted tweeter>>>>>rotated in the sterifoam support the wires were ripped>out>>>>of>>>>>the domes.>>>>>>>>>>Quite upsetting to see as we all know they are not>>>>replaceable>>>>>with new products.>>>>>>>>>>We will be seeing butchers cut up cabinets and sell the>>>>>separates instead of the complete speakers.>>>>>>>>>>We will be seeing more of this as shipping costs go up.>>>>>>>>>>If you were to give me a pair of mint AR-3A cabinets less>>>>>drivers they would still cost me around $100.00 plus>>>>>deliverd.>>>>>>>>>>Even AR-4X's cost $25 - 30 US to ship here each economy,>>>air>>>>>is about 50% more.>>>>>>>>>>Check out the ebays sellers record for one or trust some>>>one>>>>>like Dale in Reno.>>>>>>>>>>I have read more than one time where someone has bought a>>>>new>>>>>driver and went back to an older version, I believe this>>>was>>>>a>>>>>12" woofer though.>>>>>>>>>>Good luck with your choices and please keep us up to>date.>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi again Frank;>>>>>>>>After going back and re-reading your original topic a few>>>>minutes ago, I would now suggest not doing the grill>>cloths.>>>>>>>>Yes, they are not the most beautiful speaker without a>>grill>>>>cloth, but the highs are slightly less restricted. >>>>>>>>>Vern, Dale, and all,(tom and associates, I know you're>>>watching, as elementary as this stuff all is to you) it's>>>crazy that my first experience on EBay about 1 1/2 year ago>>>was very similiar to your bad ones. I was always afraid>>about>>>mail-order and buying something solely on some else's word.>>>Long story short, the 2 tweeters were half-ass packed face>>to>>>face and both domes smashed and gone. I immediately sent>>them>>>back to seller for a refund and he fabricates a story that>I>>>switched my old bad ones with his new ones. I lost my>>$75.plus>>>and 2 smashed tweeters. He then gives me negative remarks>on>>>Ebay, he still sings free as a bird on Ebay and they permit>>it>>>without regard to all my pleading this guy was a criminal.I>>>will post his name soon, as he's still thriving. But Vern,>>>you're correct again; about the speakers looking ugly as no>>>layman or relative seems to understand about these things>as>>I>>>do. However even I would like to see the cloth grills and>>>badges once in a while, the original beige and the wood>>>certainly contrast well together. That raw tech look gets>to>>>me sometimes when my mind's eye likes to see everything>>around>>>me as 'smooth' and peaceful. I just want sound and not look>>>for it coming out of raw drivers always facing me as I've>>been>>>doing it for over 40 years now watching and feeling cones>>>vibrate to assure me I'm still alive and I'm doing the>right>>>thing.>>>One afternoon as I strolled out of my studio on Broadway in>>>'NoHo',between Bleeker and Houston Street, I jumped across>>the>>>street to "Stereo-Exhange" to see what Bernie had sitting>>>around. There in his front window were 2 Cello Amati's with>>>grills that seemed to be made of black plastic window>>>screening. I had acquired mine 4 years prior to that, so I>>>knew what they should look like. But these guys were the>>same>>>only newer, I didn't know anything about these being>>'remakes'>>>of LST's. I walked in and the wallowing sales man told me>>they>>>were going for $4,000 a piece, used, this being 1991, I was>>>shocked. >>> I proceeded to buy black screening and in 2 days of extra>>>careful measuring (twice) and cutting (once) I managed to>>make>>>mine look almost as good as what Bernie wanted $8 grand>for.>>>Mine still look good, although the grills are a little>>droopy.>>>Without frames the screening hooks onto the velcro and>stays>>>there.I then decided to locate and actually speak to Mark>>>Levinson, yep left him a message on his machine, he called>>>back, gees was I thrilled. I told him I had some AR-LST's I>>>wanted to restore and he said his tweeters were $90. each>>>wholesale, but that I'd do better calling AR direct. I did>>and>>>they were $40 each, still high for a newly married man in>>1991>>>as I needed about 6 of them,I bought two, still have them>>and>>>they're really nice.I'm angry I didn't buy more cause I>>would>>>still have them and she's gone anyway!>>>Speaking of rip off's. I just today stupidly bought 2>AR3a's>>>on EBay and after I slapped my card down the seller tells>me>>>they're not what I think there are and is not insuring them>>>andsending by the Post Office. They looked really good and>>>completely original on the screen here. I'm expecting them>>in>>>about a week, I'll keep this site posted, but I'm scared>>>sh--less that I got ripped off again. >>>I'll sign off now and go do some listening to vinyl,>>followed>>>buy CD.>>>Frank Marsi>>>>>>Hi again Frank;>>>>I have actually bought 50 - 60 times off ebay in the last 1>>1/2 years.>>>>I have consistantly introduced myself to each seller before>I>>start bidding, I also specify mode of shipping and payment>>method.>>>>I feel this clears the air as I live in Canada and USPS does>>do an excellent job in my experience.>>>>I also mail a US postal money order, rather that than Paypal>>or credit card, there is at least a week delivery.>>>>Some will only ship UPS or Fedex which hits us Canadians>with>>a surcharge making the average purchase way too high.>>>>At this point I used to bid as I have been asked to do in a>>normal auction and sure enough someone comes out of nowhere>>and swoops in for the final winning bid.>>>>I started trying this and sometimes I win, sometimes I still>>lose.>>>>I wish I also could post a list of those that did package my>>purchases the way I would.>>>>I don't think it would be appropriate for me to list those>>that didn't do the right thing though.>>>>I once received a Dynaco tweeter in a very well packaged>>carton.>>>>The carton was large, and had sterifoam sheets but the>seller>>never saw what I did, when I opened the box.>>>>The screen of the tweeter acted as a cheese grater and>>hundreds of tiny pieces of sterifoam stuck to the still>sticky>>dome.>>>>I had a buzzing speaker for a desk paperweight and tossed>it.>>>>Because I've been sick for several years I didn't have the>>strength to stand up and fight for my rights, then.>>>>At least one or more members of this site are buyers or>>sellers on ebay and without mentioning names, can be trusted>>without hesitation.>>>>Buying off ebay for me has been a positive experience>overall>>with only a few negative experiences.>>>>Those buyers in the USA have an advantage of lower shipping>>costs.>>>>The AR-3A's are 60 pounds each crated roughly and USPS has a>>weight limit.>>>>Are you referring to the pair that appeared to have black>>frames on their front?>>>>After all these years a little wear and tear can be>>anticipated on the cabinets.>>>>The pots can be taken care of, as can the surrounds.>>>>I do get a chance to chuckle when I see a badly nippled 3/4">>dome tweeters and the seller says no audible difference.>>>>So much for dispersion.>>>>If you have photos of the ones you bought please post them.>>>>I am sure there isn't a member here that hasn't followed>your>>steps.>>>>Good luck with your new purchases.>Hi again Frank;By the way this topic is not elementary to some of us either.There is some readers who would never embark on the venture you have started.There is others who can talk about magnetic flux and other more scientific adventures.We all have different backgrounds and life experiences.Some can pass on a wealth of information now and others learn and will pass it on later to newbies. 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dynaco_dan Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Hi again Frank;There is an opportunity for you to see a pair of Minh's Cello Amati speakers for sale on ebay now.Do a consumer electronics speaker/subwoofer search for AR or Cello Amati.Interesting write-up, to be sure.Probably as close to my ever touching them, as I'll ever get.Minh would probably be considered an expert on these speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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