Guest postjob62 Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Based on pics in the library that I think were of one of Tom's early AR-1W's, I surmise that the 1W can be operated in 8 ohm mode if the speaker placement is "unfavorable", or as I believe they say up against a wall or out in the middle of the floor.I just wondered what one would lose sonically by so doing. Would the speaker just not be as loud as it would be at 4 ohms, would there be some kind of sonic degradation or what should be expected? I haven't given up on the idea of using these as a "sub" of sorts with 4x's and 2ax's, and if both pairs were running at 8 ohms it sure would simplify the hookup, or at least would minimize heating of the amp.By the way, if the 1-2 terminal strap is missing, will just a piece of bare solid copper wire do just as well?Many thanks,Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaco_dan Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Hi Ed Using the AR-1W with these speakers would be excellent.If you are talking about a single AR-1W speaker, then you use a combined signal to a separate amp with a volume control and electronic crossover so that the woofer would be controllable in level and perhaps a 50 - 75hz crossover.If you just add the AR-1W in a series/parallel arrangement the balance will be way off.The AR-1W would overpower the other 2 speakers up to maybe 1000hz without the crossover.Way back, I hankered for a AR-1X when I first had AR-4X's, thinking of a center channel fill.I thought that this would give me the terrific bass and the clear 4X's highs.I never persued that thought, thank goodness, I would have found out quickly about that setup being incompatible and I could not have upgraded at the time financialy.My AR literature regarding the AR-1 and 1W is buried at this time, so I won't guess at the jumper question at this time.The Audio Amateur had a drawing years ago, of a pair of AR-3a and a center fill AR-5, or visa versa, my point is, they used a special transformer in that circuit. There was no volume adjustment as I remember. The AR-3A's would have not been overpowered by the single AR-5. More help is on the way from other readers as they see your write-up.Good luck, Ed.Please keep us informed as to your progress.Vern>Based on pics in the library that I think were of one of>Tom's early AR-1W's, I surmise that the 1W can be operated in>8 ohm mode if the speaker placement is "unfavorable", or as I>believe they say up against a wall or out in the middle of the>floor.>>I just wondered what one would lose sonically by so doing.>Would the speaker just not be as loud as it would be at 4>ohms, would there be some kind of sonic degradation or what>should be expected? I haven't given up on the idea of using>these as a "sub" of sorts with 4x's and 2ax's, and if both>pairs were running at 8 ohms it sure would simplify the>hookup, or at least would minimize heating of the amp.>>By the way, if the 1-2 terminal strap is missing, will just a>piece of bare solid copper wire do just as well?>>Many thanks,>>Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnieo Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 The AR-12 inch woofer makes a nice sub-woofer in a home theater provided it is connected in a reasonable way. One cannot simply parallel speakers, etc. Most AVR receivers do not have a subwoofer power amplifer, but only a sub-woofer preamp output. (Because there are many powered sub-woofers these days.) Drive the AR-1W with a separate power amplifer whose input is taken from this preamp output. If you have a good amplifer that is capable of driving 4 Ohm loads, then use the 4-Ohm tap. If your amplifer is not capable of driving 4 Ohms, then use the 8-Ohm tap. The AVR should have an adjustable crossover--usually adjustable from 50--200 Hz. I am not sure what you would accomplish with one 12-in woofer and a pair of AR-4x used in the traditional stereo mode. Perhaps with a pair of 12-in woofers, amplifiers and 150 Hz crossovers? At that point it would be simpler to switch to an AR-3a or AR-11! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaco_dan Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Hi again EdI was using the tv speaker outputs to my satelite speakers and this was real nice for big movies.Then I changed my plans and ran the high level wires to my main stereo. Wow, was I impressed with how much better I could enjoy my home movies if they had audio effects.If you can use the AR4-X's with your tv without another amp then just use this method to steer you into the mood.After saying that, now if your tv has a high level left and right output to an integratd amp or pre-amp or receiver try this for an introduction.You may already be doing this or more but please follow me a little more.You should now have enjoyed, and I'm only referring to the AR-4X's now, a greater enjoyment of some movies.Your next step would to have a center channel or mixed mono out to a separate amp with volume control.I sure would suggest a electronic crossover but as John suggests if you have a sub woofer out, even better.Now with a AR-1, AR-1W, AR-1X, AR-3 or ( AR-3A woofer preferred ) you would have the clarity of the 4X's and at times the bottom end that some movies seem to have. You would have a controlled volume of that woofer so as not to overwhelme the audio, also a crossover compatible with the 4X's.A center fill out can be generally wired in real easy but the crossover would be a little more expensive if that was the route you were to go. You could also substitute the AR-2AX's for the 4X's but the bottom end wouldn't be quite as improved.You could also wire the AR-2ax's front and 4X's rear in parallel with a w-w pot in the AR-4X's return cable as per David Hafler Dynaquad type system.This would be probably a minimum cost system if you like it but there are still other choices available for you.I feel you would have a very enjoyable system.Good luck and please keep us posted as to your progress.As always please fuse your investment.Vern>The AR-12 inch woofer makes a nice sub-woofer in a home>theater provided it is connected in a reasonable way. One>cannot simply parallel speakers, etc. Most AVR receivers do>not have a subwoofer power amplifer, but only a sub-woofer>preamp output. (Because there are many powered sub-woofers>these days.) Drive the AR-1W with a separate power amplifer>whose input is taken from this preamp output. If you have a>good amplifer that is capable of driving 4 Ohm loads, then use>the 4-Ohm tap. If your amplifer is not capable of driving 4>Ohms, then use the 8-Ohm tap. The AVR should have an>adjustable crossover--usually adjustable from 50--200 Hz. I am>not sure what you would accomplish with one 12-in woofer and a>pair of AR-4x used in the traditional stereo mode. Perhaps>with a pair of 12-in woofers, amplifiers and 150 Hz>crossovers? At that point it would be simpler to switch to an>AR-3a or AR-11! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaco_dan Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 Hi againI did some more reading and a sub crossover should be about 50hz.If it has a 6db/octive slope will still be audible at about 300hz but down in level.A 12 or 24db/octive slope might be even better.>>Your next step would to have a center channel or mixed mono>out to a separate amp with volume control.>>I sure would suggest a electronic crossover but as John>suggests if you have a sub woofer out, even better.>>Now with a AR-1, AR-1W, AR-1X, AR-3 or ( AR-3A woofer>preferred ) you would have the clarity of the 4X's and at>times the bottom end that some movies seem to have. >>You would have a controlled volume of that woofer so as not to>overwhelme the audio, also a crossover compatible with the>4X's.>>A center fill out can be generally wired in real easy but the>crossover would be a little more expensive if that was the>route you were to go. >>You could also substitute the AR-2AX's for the 4X's but the>bottom end wouldn't be quite as improved.>>You could also wire the AR-2ax's front and 4X's rear in>parallel with a w-w pot in the AR-4X's return cable as per>David Hafler Dynaquad type system.>>This would be probably a minimum cost system if you like it>but there are still other choices available for you.>>I feel you would have a very enjoyable system.>>Good luck and please keep us posted as to your progress.>>As always please fuse your investment.>>Vern>>>> >>>>>>>The AR-12 inch woofer makes a nice sub-woofer in a home>>theater provided it is connected in a reasonable way. One>>cannot simply parallel speakers, etc. Most AVR receivers do>>not have a subwoofer power amplifer, but only a sub-woofer>>preamp output. (Because there are many powered sub-woofers>>these days.) Drive the AR-1W with a separate power amplifer>>whose input is taken from this preamp output. If you have a>>good amplifer that is capable of driving 4 Ohm loads, then>use>>the 4-Ohm tap. If your amplifer is not capable of driving 4>>Ohms, then use the 8-Ohm tap. The AVR should have an>>adjustable crossover--usually adjustable from 50--200 Hz. I>am>>not sure what you would accomplish with one 12-in woofer and>a>>pair of AR-4x used in the traditional stereo mode. Perhaps>>with a pair of 12-in woofers, amplifiers and 150 Hz>>crossovers? At that point it would be simpler to switch to>an>>AR-3a or AR-11!> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaco_dan Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 >Hi again>>I did some more reading and a sub crossover should be about>50hz.>>If it has a 6db/octive slope will still be audible at about>300hz but down in level.>>A 12 or 24db/octive slope might be even better.>>>>>>>Your next step would to have a center channel or mixed mono>>out to a separate amp with volume control.>>>>I sure would suggest a electronic crossover but as John>>suggests if you have a sub woofer out, even better.>>>>Now with a AR-1, AR-1W, AR-1X, AR-3 or ( AR-3A woofer>>preferred ) you would have the clarity of the 4X's and at>>times the bottom end that some movies seem to have. >>>>You would have a controlled volume of that woofer so as not>to>>overwhelme the audio, also a crossover compatible with the>>4X's.>>>>A center fill out can be generally wired in real easy but>the>>crossover would be a little more expensive if that was the>>route you were to go. >>>>You could also substitute the AR-2AX's for the 4X's but the>>bottom end wouldn't be quite as improved.>>>>You could also wire the AR-2ax's front and 4X's rear in>>parallel with a w-w pot in the AR-4X's return cable as per>>David Hafler Dynaquad type system.>>>>This would be probably a minimum cost system if you like it>>but there are still other choices available for you.>>>>I feel you would have a very enjoyable system.>>>>Good luck and please keep us posted as to your progress.>>>>As always please fuse your investment.>>>>Vern>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>The AR-12 inch woofer makes a nice sub-woofer in a home>>>theater provided it is connected in a reasonable way. One>>>cannot simply parallel speakers, etc. Most AVR receivers do>>>not have a subwoofer power amplifer, but only a sub-woofer>>>preamp output. (Because there are many powered sub-woofers>>>these days.) Drive the AR-1W with a separate power amplifer>>>whose input is taken from this preamp output. If you have a>>>good amplifer that is capable of driving 4 Ohm loads, then>>use>>>the 4-Ohm tap. If your amplifer is not capable of driving 4>>>Ohms, then use the 8-Ohm tap. The AVR should have an>>>adjustable crossover--usually adjustable from 50--200 Hz. I>>am>>>not sure what you would accomplish with one 12-in woofer>and>>a>>>pair of AR-4x used in the traditional stereo mode. Perhaps>>>with a pair of 12-in woofers, amplifiers and 150 Hz>>>crossovers? At that point it would be simpler to switch to>>an>>>AR-3a or AR-11!>>>Hi there againYou may wish to chat with, " Subwoofer to go with AR-4X's Speakers " a new topic at this site today.You both have the same or similar ideas and great taste.Good luck.Vern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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