Well, after the seller reduced the price I just had to go get them. Seller said he was the original owner and never had anything done to them and I gotta say, they do not look like anyone has been in there messing around. So are these a later model maybe without the whizzer cone and stapled on screen and with boring black grill material? Either way though, I can't wait to get these refoamed and start checking them out. I think they may go well with a system I'm putting together for my son.