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I picked up a pair of Ohm Walsh 4XO's off of Craigslist this evening.
I know this is the Allison forum, so let me make the post topical. I've seen a number of you mention that your Allisons have made the migration into your home theater setups. How has that worked? Is there some special magic to making them sound wonderful after YPAO, MCAC, Audessy or Dirac is finished doing their magic? Are you using them in a 5.1 setup? Are you dropping the subs and center channels?
I'm asking because when I had first tried hooking the CD-7's to my Pioneer Elite (not rated for 4 ohms, by the way), ran MCAC with the designated mic, ensured that the speakers were set to small and crossover to my sub set at 80 Hz, the Allisons just sounded like they were drained of all life.
In short, what's the best way to bring dispersion speakers into home theater and retain some quality of sound - especially for occasional 2 or 2.1 channel listening?
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I hope he did. I stopped bidding at $40, before I informed the group; because, with shipping, I thought they would be bid up too far. They went for ~$60.
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A month later: the Pioneer arrived, it was filthy on the inside and had no audio output. A can of Deoxit cleaned the boards. A trip to a tech revealed it was missing jumpers.
In short, feeding the CD-7s more power did help them open up. Just as important, though, the receiver has loudness controls for lower volume output.
I'm still keeping an eye out for better speakers, but I do enjoy the CD-7s.
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4 hours ago, AR_First said:
Thank you for the Allison 3's, Jeff, and for meeting me half-way for the delivery! The speakers made it home safe and sound. Rest assured that they will be appreciated here (once I re-arrange my office). It was nice to meet your Mom, too.
And thanks for relinquishing 'squatter's rights', austingonzo. I appreciate it.
-Pete
Glad it all worked out. Now I need to find another road trip to burn off some vacation. Does anyone have any free Ones sitting around gathering moss. ;-)
Please post updates and pics as you get them situated @AR_First.
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13 hours ago, Long Live Roy said:
Here’s a quick update on the 3s. austingonzo has squatter’s rights on them if he can make his travel arrangements. If not, others have started asking about taking them. Please email me at producerjeff@hotmail.com with any serious inquiries. Thanks.
My offer was a last resort effort to ensure they went to someone who would appreciate them. I release my "squatter's rights" in favor of your getting them out of your mom's house asap. I am happy to go to the end of the line. Thanks for your consideration.
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5 minutes ago, CAllyn said:
Sorry, didn’t mean to ramble. Of course there’s a chance there’s nothing wrong with them and you can enjoy them as they are like a normal person would. ?
Not at all. Based upon the few hundred posts I read, your response was factual and tactfully put.
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1 hour ago, CAllyn said:
Austinginzo
So I’m the lucky duck who snagged the model 1s from Jeff. I have direct experience with both the older Allison products and now this new version. IMO the new mids and tweets are superior in resolution and accuracy while still maintaining the pleasant New England sound. The model 1s from Jeff had some incorrect wiring which I was able to correct by referencing older designs. This brings me to the woofers. Original model ones had them wired in phase with each other. When I wired the new model ones this way they were extremely bass heavy. some Allison speakers the woofers are wired push-pull. Wired this way the bass is very articulate if a touch thin. I will likely add a sub. Perhaps the single woofer model 3 will be just right?
Crossover caps were indeed electrolytic. I upgraded to mylar and the difference is significant.
If you have the aptitude to dig into some minor problems and do a cap swap I think the 3s may have strong potential.
As befits a newbie, I underappreciated how thorny a simple question like the one I raised would be. I recently joined the Yahoo! group as well, which means there are years of conversations about these topics that I did not see or participate in at the time they were topical. I appreciate the response, @CAllyn. After reading a bunch of group postings about KY, I think the proper position for me to take is to not look a gift horse in the mouth. ;-)
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Was browsing the forum and I think I found an earlier reference to this device and ephemera. Mention made of seeing at a flea market and picture in this thread.
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20 minutes ago, austingonzo said:
@rnathans00, are the latter-day KY Threes considered in any way inferior to the original production run? For instance, were lower quality drivers employed with them?
I answered my own question:
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On 6/24/2019 at 10:15 PM, rnathans00 said:
I don't know much about the IC-10, but the rest look like the later Kentucky versions of the original Allison series. I used to own an an Allison One, but sold it a few years ago, replacing it with a set of Revel M22 stand-mounts. As I recall, the later Allisons updated the One, Three and Four series, maybe others. Very desirable - and count me among those desiring one of those Threes. The Three has drivers on just one face, arranged like those shown in the last photo. The One has *two* such faces and would be positioned well in from the corners. I'm wondering if the mystery models might be One's. I'm curious why one set of Threes would lack the crossovers, without which one has just a bunch of drivers in a box - albeit a nice box here.
@rnathans00, are the latter-day KY Threes considered in any way inferior to the original production run? For instance, were lower quality drivers employed with them?
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1 hour ago, Long Live Roy said:
I still have the 3s, probably until the end of July as my mom is moving out of her old house. Unfortunately I can’t store them any longer than that. And just to be clear from earlier posts, I believe this to be one pair of corner (one face) speakers and one pair of just the cabinets. I’m guessing the cabinets were in better shape and maybe my dad wanted to switch the existing speakers into the empty cabinets? I have no idea if the speakers work or will need fixing. I can definitely set up a meeting time and place if you want to make the long drive (they’re free).
I understand. I'll see if my wife commits me for being certifiable. If she doesn't, I'll start thinking about a road trip in late July.
As it relates to the 3s, I don't know that I'd have much use for extra cabinets. I'm not that kind of audiophile. :-)
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49 minutes ago, JKent said:
$395 OBO seems steep unless you're a real Roy Allison fan/collector. FWIW, I have 2 of these--one fro my AR-3a setup and another for my AR-91s. Don't think I paid more than $150 for either.
Yeah, I've been known to spend more than prudent when I'm determined to get something I really want; but that strikes me as more than a bit pricey as well.
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Just FYI. I have no connection with the listing. I happened to be checking EB for "Allison Acoustics" out of boredom yesterday and saw this.
There is a listing for this, along with shipping materials and signed RA ephemera. Seller is in MA. I have no frame of reference for price of the item.
I won't post the direct link out of consideration for expiring links and cluttering the forum.
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On 5/15/2019 at 8:24 PM, austingonzo said:
Indeed. It would appear this was not meant to be. I have a brother-in-law in the Twin Cities area, but I don't think he has the space to store them for me indefinitely. And, he has little ones. Sigh....
@Long Live Roy what is the status of the remaining 3's? Did you dispose of them already or are you in a hurry to do so?
I have plenty of unused vacation on the books, a 2018 Mazda 3 hatchback needing some highway miles and am just crazy enough to consider a cross-country drive for fun.
I probably couldn't look at this until mid-July though, as I am vacationing in LA with my son at the top of the month.
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3 minutes ago, austingonzo said:
It (VSX-D1S) has two modes of output via a switch: Mode A delivers 130 watts at 8 ohms to the fronts. Somewhere online I read that it doesn't double at 4 ohms, but I'll have to find the reference. Maybe it goes to 170 or 200???
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1002196/Pioneer-Vsx-D1s.html?page=51#manual
Quoting myself is poor form, right? Anyway:
http://www.hifi-classic.net/review/pioneer-vsx-d1s-435.html
Clipping noted at 210 watts @ 4 ohms.
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13 minutes ago, newandold said:
Yes I’m well aware the 7s are nominal 4ohm....
I said 120 watts of AMPLIFIER power at 8ohm rms per channel would be a great match for those.
It (VSX-D1S) has two modes of output via a switch: Mode A delivers 130 watts at 8 ohms to the fronts. Somewhere online I read that it doesn't double at 4 ohms, but I'll have to find the reference. Maybe it goes to 170 or 200???
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1002196/Pioneer-Vsx-D1s.html?page=51#manual
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Update: the Pioneer Elite AVR has no pre-outs, so I'm back to square one. I have noticed since then that the CD-7's sound best to my old ears when driven at a higher volume than the volume at which I typically listen. I have won on auction a different vintage AVR, the Pioneer VSX-D1S. It should take a week or so to arrive. I am curious whether the higher wattage, lower THD and voicing of this receiver will improve the details produced by the Allisons. I simply cannot afford to listen to them regularly at the volume at which they sounded the best with the Rotel. I would still appreciate suggestions for better/best pairings from more experienced users.
Thanks.
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I expect to be outbid, and a friend is supposed to be bringing me a relative's vinyl collection and equipment this weekend; so I thought I would pass this along. Maybe karma will catch up with me later.
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/69656422
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Heya,
Back for more pearls of wisdom, please.
The CD-7s are back from Texasound after a recap. Supposedly they benched to spec, so now I'm trying to put them to use. I had them connected to my 90's Rotel RX950-AX for two-channel listening with my modern Denon turntable. I was wary of integrating them into the home theater setup in the same cabinet (Pioneer Elite VSX-LX301) due to their 4ohm profile. While the Pioneer should drive them, I was just being cautious.
Yesterday I decided the growing speaker clutter was too much to handle, so I moved them over to the Pioneer AVR, rotated the other speakers around and ran Pioneer MCACC to perform room correction. (My sub is a PSB Subsonic 8.) I tried large and small settings, and crossover settings at 50, 80, and 100 Hz. When I listened to music in any configuration, the Allison's had lost their charm. This was regardless of whether I used 2.1 or (Pure Direct) stereo settings. The presence of the sub took over and the benefits of the acoustic suspension sound were completely lost.
I'm now considering reconnecting the Allison's to the Rotel, running pre-out from the AVR to the Rotel and re-running MCACC in this configuration. This should give me the ability to revert to 2-channel listening when I desire, but I'll have no room correction in 2 channel mode.
What recommendations can you offer here?
Also, while I like the Rotel, I find myself watching Goodwill's online auctions for inexpensive (<$100) vintage NAD and Luxman receivers as replacements. I suspect those would really be lateral moves. What affordable vintage gear do you feel is a good pairing with these speakers?
Thanks, austingonzo.
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46 minutes ago, Long Live Roy said:
A bit more info on the model 3s. I believe 1 pair is intact (but not sure if they are fully functioning as I have never tried to hook them up). I think the other pair might just be the cabinets, so really looking at 1 pair of speakers. And as far as shipping to TX, I looked at an estimate online and it looks like it would be several hundred dollars. I don’t think that price would be worthwhile when I can’t guarantee the condition. Sorry, wish you were closer and I would just drop them off for you.
Indeed. It would appear this was not meant to be. I have a brother-in-law in the Twin Cities area, but I don't think he has the space to store them for me indefinitely. And, he has little ones. Sigh....
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1 hour ago, newandold said:
Someone from the Allison Speakers Yahoo! Group contacted me several months ago because there was a spirited discussion going on there involving the IC20’s.
He said I was “missing out”, but I had too many problems with Yahoo (a shame, not the group itself) to go back there again.
In lieu of the spam risk, there is (or was) a lot more Allison going on there, than here.
Can you post a picture....I’m interested in seeing the tweeters in Your speakers.
Bill
Okay, I've broken down and submitted a request to join the Yahoo group after retrieving my old profile. Down the rabbit hole I go!
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The LG V30 has good microphones, but I did not really try to calibrate the recordings. Hopefully you can get some idea of their current performance. Again, I'm hoping to just get a little more out of them across more of the recordings and genres I listen to.
Again, I appreciate this forum greatly. I sent TexaSound the crossover schematics and the product line driver specs, etc., last night. So I hope they have better information to use when testing them.
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I'm trusting that TexaSound won't mess with them if they bench well, Bill. Let me see if I can figure out how to post links to videos or PM you a shared link. As I said, they could be fine and the issue is due to hearing loss on my part, room acoustics, source, performance of the Rotel, etc. It's sometimes hard to say with so many elements in the chain. My troubleshooting skills are better on computers than audio gear, unfortunately.
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Something went sideways. They've been relisted. I now see mention that there is a crack in the bottom of one of the speakers. I don't recall that disclosure on the earlier listing.