Guest spanzetta Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I tried to contact Allison for buying original woofers.. but I realized that Allison is closed..I asked a few company here in Italy for repairing my woofers and they asked 85€ for each one (it's ~ 110 US$)...Isn't too much?Waiting your comments.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlspeak Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Thanks for visiting with us Spanzetta. I refoam speakers professionally and feel you should not pay more than US $25-$30 each for 6 inch size. Surely, there must be some refoamers located in mainland Europe or the UK?? There are quite a few here in the states.Some time back, I tried to find a distributor in Europe for European size woofers. 7 inch seems to be popular there but is totally non-standard here. I still haven't found one but instead have to cut down a close sized 8 inch surround and resplice it back together.Have you tried e-bay? There are a lot of surround kit sellers there. You should be able to find a kit for your Allison's - assuming you are willing and able to DIY.Good luckIt's all about the musicCarlCarl's Custom Loudspeakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingus Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 until i refoamed a pair of speakers, i thought it would be an exceedingly difficult task. after having done a few i am suprised at how easy and straightforward a task it is. i would recommend you at least give it a try. you can always seek professional help if you need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spanzetta Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Thanks to all for replies..I did make a mistake.. my woofers are 8" (not 6")...I saw on ebay a lot of refoaming kits that cost around 30$ for 4 speakers... but I am not sure I am able to do a good job.. I think it's a matter of experience to do a good job..It's always frustrating to know that in Italy peoples charge much much more then the real price... but when there is no other chance :-(Thanks again to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spanzetta Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 update..I gave my woofers to a company and they told me that they have to calculate the price for reparing them... it could be even more then 85€ each one..They started to say that all the woofer needs to be unmounted and repaired (also the back part of the cone need to be re-attached)..I am waiting for a preventive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaco_dan Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 >update..>>I gave my woofers to a company and they told me that they have>to calculate the price for reparing them... it could be even>more then 85€ each one..>They started to say that all the woofer needs to be unmounted>and repaired (also the back part of the cone need to be>re-attached)..>>I am waiting for a preventive>>Hi Stefano;I did have two re-foams that were needed about 10 years ago, for 2 - AR-3A woofers (actually 11").I was unable to find a local service shop that would just sell me the surrounds alone.They were wanting to make money on the labour as well.If they had been really smart they would have sold me everything and let me mess things up, then I would have returned for them to re-do the job.After a short attempt, I mailed ordered, from the USA, a set which included a white adhesive and English only instruction sheet.The first woofer took me about 1 1/2 hours, I was attempting to be really careful removing the old surround and applying the new one.The second one took me about 10 minutes.I had never even seen a bad surround before this experience.It is easy for me to say, "if I can do it, you can too".Not everyone has the daring to approach such a task.The surrounds themselves can be bought locally here for only a few dollars each now.The adhesive is a little more elusive in brand and model.I am not sure exactly how much in US dollars yours are going to cost you.I would say that it would cost you less than $5.00 US for each surround with adhesive just to buy.Having a service tech do the repairs for just the surround re & re will be around $20 - $30 US each.Shipping and handling and taxes and duties extra.It sounds like you are being taken, possibly, by the sounds of your write-up.By that, I read removing and repairing the spider to the surround etc.This is not the usual basic surround rot problem, but there may be more to your job than I interpret here.I believe that you are Italian, Stefano, Paolo, a fellow member, may be of some assistance to you if you ask him for advice.Paolo has been most kind and helpful on this site.My final suggestion to just do the re & re foam surrounds is to buy a few extra surrounds and a little more adhesive and try it or at least try to re-foam another speaker for practice.Do check out ebay, etc for used woofers.Post your problem and there are more than one member that may be able to assist you in the USA. Good luck with your decision and please let us know what you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spanzetta Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Thanks for all of your suggestions...I found yesterday afternoon another Company that did tell me that I would pay about 30€ each one.. This is a reasonable price I am now going with this new Company (www.vittoriofranchi.it)I'll let you kwow the result (once the job will be done)Thanks again to allRegards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spanzetta Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 update...I went to the other Company and they told me that One of them can be refoamed and it should work fine..The other two, since they have the spider detached from the Cone (I tought it is just a matter of glue) are absolutelly not repairable.. so he refused to work on this other two.. He told me also that if someone ask me for $$$$ to repair them he's a lier.The previous Company instead told me that they needs a lot of work (that's why they was asking a lot of $$$$) but it is possible to repair them..But now I cannot go back to them (I left my woofer to them and the day after I took them back)Who's right?I am now in the condition that only One (out of three) woofers will be repaired.. and what to do with the other two?Any help would be appreciated.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlspeak Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 >update...>>I went to the other Company and they told me that One of them>can be refoamed and it should work fine..>The other two, since they have the spider detached from the>Cone (I tought it is just a matter of glue) are absolutelly>not repairable.. so he refused to work on this other two.. He>told me also that if someone ask me for $$$$ to repair them>he's a lier.>>The previous Company instead told me that they needs a lot of>work (that's why they was asking a lot of $$$$) but it is>possible to repair them..>But now I cannot go back to them (I left my woofer to them and>the day after I took them back)>>Who's right?>>I am now in the condition that only One (out of three) woofers>will be repaired.. and what to do with the other two?>>Any help would be appreciated..As I wrote before, the refoam job should not cost 30 euros. With regard to the detached spider, that's a different story. If the spider is not, itself torn, you may be able to fix it your self with superglue. Just drip it into the gap between the cone and the spider. If this doesn't work, then a recone job, if it's at all possible, will be necessary and will cost you. The better tactic in that case would be to buy used or replacement woofers. You also might consider using a Boston Acoustics 8" woofer. It looks very much like the Allisons - although I cannot vouch that they are identical. It's all about the musicCarlCarl's Custom Loudspeakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spanzetta Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 >As I wrote before, the refoam job should not cost 30 euros.it should be 30$ (you told) ... but 30€ is still acceptable .. >With regard to the detached spider, that's a different story.>If the spider is not, itself torn, you may be able to fix it>your self with superglue. Just drip it into the gap between>the cone and the spider. it is not torn.. Simply detached but in perfect condition..That's why I don't understand why this guy doesn't want to do the repair job (he's honest) .. he started talking about realigning the cone (job that cannot be done manually, he said) ... while I think there is nothing to realign>If this doesn't work, then a recone job, if it's at all possible, >will be necessary and will cost you. >The better tactic in that case would be to buy used or>replacement woofers. You also might consider using a Boston>Acoustics 8" woofer. Pls note that my woofers are 16 Ohm> It looks very much like the Allisons>- although I cannot vouch that they are identical. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlspeak Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 ".....it is not torn.. Simply detached but in perfect condition..That's why I don't understand why this guy doesn't want to do the repair job (he's honest) .. he started talking about realigning the cone (job that cannot be done manually, he said) ... while I think there is nothing to realign...."It all depends. If you push gently down on the center of the dust cap and hear rubbing, then he's right, you'll have to remove the DC and shim it to center it before regluing the spider. A business card will probably suffice as a shim. The spider does lend a lot of centering effect because it anchors the VC centered in the speaker frame. Right now all that's centering the VC is the surround and that's a long way from the VC; relatively speaking.It's all about the musicCarlCarl's Custom Loudspeakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spanzetta Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 >It all depends. If you push gently down on the center of the>dust cap and hear rubbing, then he's right, you'll have to>remove the DC and shim it to center it before regluing the>spider. A business card will probably suffice as a shim. The>spider does lend a lot of centering effect because it anchors>the VC centered in the speaker frame. Right now all that's>centering the VC is the surround and that's a long way from>the VC; relatively speaking.Carl,thanks a lot for the explanation.. You are a real expert and I am learning a lot form you (and all this forum)I am now got back (again) my woofers because this Company didn't seem to be so professional... and I contacted a third one (this is located in Bologna, 200Km from Milan) that seems to be much more professional... But it's all to be verified... He told me that (at the phone) that has no problem to solve also the spider problem..You are right: if I push gently down the center of the dust cap I hear small rubbing... Just to be sure: can you confirm what is the right procedure to do to solve the Spider detached problem (any specific equipments).. so I can verify that this new Company knows what to do?Thanks a lot in advance! Your help is very precious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlspeak Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 "...You are right: if I push gently down the center of the dust cap I hear small rubbing... Just to be sure: can you confirm what is the right procedure to do to solve the Spider detached problem (any specific equipments).. so I can verify that this new Company knows what to do?.."Aaaah, Balogna. I was there once on a business trip.The procedure as I can best 'see' it from here is as I described in my prior post. Cut off the dust cap and place a snug fitting shim all around in the air gap. Then ATTEMPT to glue the spider back to the VC. This is not easy to do and is not a typical repair - but worth a try before resorting to reconing or replacing the woofer altogether.Good luck with your new repair center!It's all about the musicCarlCarl's Custom Loudspeakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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