Great speaker period. Add some high end capacitors (Clarity, Mundorf, etc), a bit of bracing and remove a few ounces of cab damping material and they sound wonderful. Have them set up next to my Wilson Sabrina's and will never part with them. Who ever says they have no bass has no idea of what good speakers should sound like and probably own Cerwin Vega's or some other sort of unsophisticated bangers.